Legislature(2001 - 2002)

04/11/2001 01:44 PM House FIN

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HOUSE BILL NO. 95                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     An Act relating to control of space in the state                                                                           
     capitol and other buildings occupied by the legislature                                                                    
     and its agencies; and providing for an effective date.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DAVE  STANCLIFF,  STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE  SCOTT  OGAN,  stated                                                                   
that HB  95 is a  bill to bring  the entire capital  building                                                                   
under the  management by the Legislature.   He noted  that at                                                                   
the present  time, the Legislature  occupies and  controls by                                                                   
law  all  but  the Governor's  floor  of  the  State  Capitol                                                                   
building.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Stancliff  noted that  that  the  bill would  allow  the                                                                   
Legislative Council to create  more space in the building for                                                                   
the  public.   He added  that the  bill would  not cause  any                                                                   
fiscal  impact, as  it  would be  an "internal  transfer"  of                                                                   
authority to Legislative Council.   He pointed out the fiscal                                                                   
note  submitted   by  Department  of  Administration.     Mr.                                                                   
Stancliff  stated that  the fiscal  note  is not  appropriate                                                                   
since the  bill does  not cause any  expenditure to  occur at                                                                   
present time.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Davies  noted that the purpose of  the bill is                                                                   
to create  more room in  the Capitol  Building.  He  asked if                                                                   
the intent  really was not to  "do anything", and if  so, why                                                                   
should the  Committee be  considering it  and why should  the                                                                   
bill be passed.  Mr. Stancliff  responded that the bill would                                                                   
create a  step that  would allow  the Legislative Council  to                                                                   
address these  concerns.  He pointed out  that Representative                                                                   
Ogan, in  the House State  Affairs Committee,  indicated that                                                                   
it was  not his  intent to move  the current  Administration.                                                                   
He noted that he would hope that  an orderly transition would                                                                   
create a more appropriate time to discuss the matter.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft  inquired what  "Move  It  or Loss  It"                                                                   
means.   Mr. Stancliff  replied that  the capitol move  issue                                                                   
ties in with how well served the  public feels with the space                                                                   
of the Capitol  Building and how efficiently  the Legislature                                                                   
operates.  The theory is that  the better off in both process                                                                   
and accommodation  of the public,  the less apt  Juneau would                                                                   
be to loose the capital.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
JIM  DUNCAN,  COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT   OF  ADMINISTRATION,                                                                   
stated  that the  Governor and  the  Administration does  not                                                                   
view a relocation of the offices  as a priority of the use of                                                                   
State dollars at this time.  Until  other spending priorities                                                                   
are addressed, the concern should not be considered.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Commissioner Duncan  added that if  the bill should  pass, it                                                                   
would cost money  to make the changes.  He  stressed that the                                                                   
cost must  be determined  for that  relocation.  To  relocate                                                                   
one office, the  Governor's office, other offices  would have                                                                   
to  be  relocated  to  compensate   for  that  change.    The                                                                   
Department  of Administration  fiscal note  reflects cost  of                                                                   
relocation  of all  agencies  involved  and includes  capital                                                                   
costs for renovation and improvements.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Duncan noted  that the  capital costs  would be                                                                   
approximately  $8.8 million dollars  to renovate  and upgrade                                                                   
      th                                                                                                                        
the 11  floor  of the State Office Building  (SOB).  Included                                                                   
in that  cost would be new  construction costs for  the Court                                                                   
Plaza  Building  to make  it  suitable  to relocate  a  major                                                                   
department.  In addition, certain  parts of the agencies such                                                                   
                                                            th                                                                  
as the  Lt. Governor's  offices  could not  fit into the  11                                                                    
floor of the SOB,  so space would have to be  leased to cover                                                                   
costs of those business that would no longer fit.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Duncan  ascertained  that  there  would  be  an                                                                   
ongoing lease space cost of approximately  $1 million dollars                                                                   
per year.   The fiscal note adequately reflects  those costs.                                                                   
Commissioner  Duncan stated  that the  Governor does  believe                                                                   
that there are higher priorities  for the use of those monies                                                                   
at  this  time.    It  is  imperative  that  the  Legislature                                                                   
understands  that   there  are  costs  associated   with  the                                                                   
proposed legislation.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Davies  pointed out that Mr.  Stancliff stated                                                                   
that  the  intent  was  to  "perhaps"  wait  until  the  next                                                                   
Administration.   He  questioned  if the  Administration  had                                                                   
concerns that Legislative  Council would be in  charge of the                                                                   
space currently occupied.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Duncan  reiterated that it is important  and the                                                                   
Administration wants  the Legislature to understand  the full                                                                   
costs associated with  the move.  He stressed that  it is not                                                                   
possible    to   relocate    offices   without    substantial                                                                   
renovations.  He reiterated that  the Administration does not                                                                   
believe that this is a priority.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Davies asked  what would  happen if  the bill                                                                   
was  passed  without  a  fiscal note  and  the  entire  State                                                                   
Capitol  would  be  under  the  control  of  the  Legislative                                                                   
Council.   Commissioner Duncan  acknowledged that would  be a                                                                   
huge  problem and  that is  imperative that  the fiscal  note                                                                   
accompanies the legislation.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hudson questioned  how  long the  Legislature                                                                   
and Governor has  shared the current building.   Commissioner                                                                   
Duncan  stated that  it has  been since  1906.   He spoke  in                                                                   
support  of financing  the move  of  the third  floor if  the                                                                   
Legislature allocated the $8.8 million dollars.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hudson  maintained that the legislation  is an                                                                   
attempt to  appropriate control.   He stated that it  was not                                                                   
good public policy.   He maintained that the  building should                                                                   
be co-managed until an alternative is found.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hudson suggested  that the  legislation  is a                                                                   
"power grab".   He reiterated that he would  support the move                                                                   
if the funding was forthcoming.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hudson MOVED to TABLE HB 95.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HB  95   was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  Committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  

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